Well, again, the Mormon texts written by Joseph Smith and Brigham Young and others are not recognized as scripture by any Christian denomination, so they has nothing to do with this thread (note also that these documents contradict scripture).

The reason that I do not want to bring out of scope items into this thread is that you can easily add various topics onto a thread, to make it impossible to follow both for those participating, and for those who may wish to lurk or read later.

Also, it is not fair to those who do try to participate. For example, I am preparing to speak at a conference, and I have a full time job, therefore a limited amount of time to spend on these discussions. If you widen the scope to include anything and everything, then it simply become too time consuming.

So, if you have additional issues and topics, please feel free to start a new thread. If I have time, and it is an area where I have an interest, have time to participate and feel that I can add value, I will likely add my input.

also i thought it might be helpful to refresh the original topic.

i'm sorry that you feel i have somehow personally degraded you.  i admit i'm not always polite, but i'm not a priest, i don't have to be.  i have simply raised some complaint about how you reply, and i am sorry if you find that insulting, but you're a bit frustrating.  i really am sorry if i have been rude, i know you're doing your best to answer these difficult questions and i am interested in your opinion but if you would rather not answer me i'll just look it up, okay?

so basically tj3 whatever you answer is very limited to follow up questions, it must fit into your narrow definition of on topic, be politely phrased, and respectful of your time constraints, that's what i gather.  i'll do my best.  can anyone else establish a biblical source for sola scriptura?  the only self references i can even think of are like at the end of some NT letters where there are warnings to transcriptionists about not messing with the text, am i right?  people didn't have books, things were spread orally, and a clear hierarchy (if that's the right word) was established.   i think it only becomes a problem later with the protestants when everyone and anyone nowadays can call themselves an apostle, minister, prophet, or whatever.  in my former church people were always speaking for God.  I was instructed that your instincts are the voice of God.   So yeah, it's an important question

i'm good.