Rick,

We agree on basics and that is what counts most.  I bring this subject up because it has been neglected so much in understanding the causes for division in Christianity.  The more we look into the reality of the Rennaisance, the more we can come to grips with these causes.  This must be done if Christianity is ever to heal the wounds of division.

Personally, I believe the Rennaisance is grossly misrepresented as an era of rebirth.  Its fruits were quite the opposite within the context of Christian history.  Shortly after its era the Christian world was rent into divisions.  I credit these divisions to the corruption introduce shortly before by the Rennaisance.  A good undertanding of this introduction can be acquired by viewing of the documentary entitled "The Medici" which is available on DVD.  It is well done and left me with most of the understanding I have expressed herein.

Yours in unity,

MikeReilly

Hello and Welcome, Mike!
Peace and Blessings!
Rick.

Hi Mike.  For the most part, I agree with your sentiments.  Unfortunately, though, there are many historical events, periods and "movements" where we can (now that we have hindsight) say that the event, period or movement was not good for our faith.

We can, though, be thankful for those pillars of our faith who hung strong and continued to keep the faith and preach the Gospel.

Too often we look back on the Renaissance as a favorable period in western history, but was it really?  This period was noted for an emergence from darkness to light, but the light it gave was a return to pagan ways practiced by ancient Greeks and Romans.  This was particularly true in the presentation of art that displayed nudity to the point that it promoted much moral degeneration.  This moral degeneration in turn led to corruption of many both in the Church and outside.

As most of us are aware, this corruption reached such a scale that it led to the breakdown and division of the Church in the period that followed.  Whereas much can be said in favor of the dissension caused by this corruption, fairness dictates that it be noted that this dissension should have been restricted to addressing this corruption and not long standing and valid teachings of the Church.

If we go back far enough, most Christians today had Catholic ancestors that stood by these teachings adamantly.  We might ask ourselves, then, whether we really take issue with these teachings or the corruption introduced by the so called Rennaisance.  Even Roman Catholics today take issue with this corruption.  I think then that all Christians should put the causes for their division in proper perspective.

Peace,

Mike Reilly

I agree with this viewpoint.  We are not here to echo sounds, but to engage in mutual dialogue. 

MikeReilly   

I am always pleased to enter a Catholic community where there is commonality on basic beliefs.  It is so nice not to have to reinvent the wheel in matters of faith.  I was born, raised, and educated a Catholic which I have remained into advancing years.  Age, of course, is relative.  I feel that one feels getting older if one looks backward.  On the other hand, one feels getting younger if one looks forward, since you remain just a babe relative to eternity no matter how old you get.  Is that not so very nice?  It makes it so much easier to become as little children as we must become to our heavenly Father if we wish to enter into His home.
Cheers,
MikeReilly 

what is true doctrine?

Isaiah 8:20

To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

Those  found in scripture only not traditions of men which makes the word of no effect.

My point is why do all religions teach people that their souls go to heaven when they die when the bible DOES NOT SAY SO. My point here any religion that claims to be true whether ISLAM, BHUDDISM, CHRISTIANITY and many more and teaches this doctrine they are LEVIATHAN- JOINED WITH THE SERPENT. THE FALSE TEACHING OF THE SERPENT YOU SHALL NOT SURELY DIE.

2 Timothy 3:16

All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for DOCTRINE, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

With all respect; what is your point?  Your subject is "WHY DO ALL RELIGIONS TEACH THIS FALSE DOCTRINE?"

What do you believe "True Doctrine" is?

No where in the bible does it say you have a ever living soul!!! remember the creation of man?

Genesis 2

And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

 4These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,

 5And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.

 6But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.

 7And the LORD God formed man of the DUST OF GROUND, and BREATHED into his nostrils the breath of LIFE; and man became a LIVING SOUL. ( NOT A EVER LIVING SOUL) A LIVING SOUL so when you die thats it your soul dies as well. flee from false teachers.

Genesis 3

1Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

2And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:

3But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.

4And the serpent said unto the woman, YE SHALL NOT SURELY DIE:

Genesis 3

1Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

2And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:

3But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.

4And the serpent said unto the woman, YE SHALL NOT SURELY DIE:

Why do religions teach the same lie that was taught by the adversary and deceived Adama and eve that you will not surely die that you have immortal soul. That when you die it will depart and go to heaven. if this is fact. that you don't surely die but have immortal soul that goes to heaven when you die.

So who was telling the truth God who said dying thou shalt die or the devil who said YOU shalt not surely die?

So what is truth? all religions that teach this doctrine YE SHALL NOT SURELY DIE THAT YOU WILLL GO TO HEAVEN WHEN thse religions are false for they spring forth from a lie- a trust in lie from the devil. So what does the bible say?

19In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou RETURN.

For the LIVING know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a REWARD; for the memory of them is forgotten.

 6Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now PERISHED; neither have they any more a PORTION FOR EVER f in ANY THING  that is done UNDER the sun.

10Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is NO WORK, NOR DEVICE , NOR KNOWLEDGE, NOR WISDOM, in the GRAVE, whither thou GOEST.

SHOULD I QUOTE MORE?

Hebrews 11

13These all DIED IN  faith, NOT HAVING  RECEIVED  THE  PROMISES, but having seen them AFAR  off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.

39And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, RECEIVED NOT THE  PROMISES  :
40God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.

so all the faithful frm Abel and the last that shall be saved are still in the grave waiting for Yeshua to blow the TRUMPET AND THEIR BODIES RAISED TO LIFE.

For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 1 Thessalonians 4:16

Daniel 12

1And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found WRITTEN in the BOOK(OF LIFE).

 2And MANY of them that SLEEP in the DUST of the EARTH shall AWAKE, SOME to everlasting LIFE, and SOME to SHAME and everlasting CONTEMPT.


So will you still be in false religions that teach the serpent's lie?